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Random Nonsense · Jun 21, 2006, 06:56 AM // 06:56

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Originally Posted by Snype

1. I am in [MATH]. We DO put effort into the forming of our groups. We DO put thought into making our build (we have over 20 topics in our forums atm concerning different builds). And last, we DO communicate with vent. Dont talk about things you dont know about

2. We DO win. We say "gg" after every winning game, hardly ever talk trash, and win quite a lot.

3. IWAY is NOT overpowered. If it was, everyone would be running it now and winning every match wouldn't they?

20 different IWAY builds?

I never saw a player from MATH say gg.

I know of some well known high ranked players who play a lot of IWAY now because it's actually kind of decent when used with OoA. Almost everyone is running it now.

Random Nonsense · Jun 21, 2006, 06:59 AM // 06:59

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Originally Posted by art_

They only trash talk to iway

and spike teams.

shardfenix · Jun 21, 2006, 10:32 AM // 10:32

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Originally Posted by Fragui

The problem is people dont understand that there is a difference betwen r3+ iway player and r8+ iway players.. thats all.

The difference is that rank 8 iway players have 2400 fame and still can't play real builds, at least a rank 3 iway player still has hope.

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Originally Posted by Random Nonsense

20 different IWAY builds?

Yes random I've seen their builds. Here they are:
1: IWAY
2: IWAY with 7 W/R and an orders.
3: Apostasy IWAY
4: Apostasy IWAY with a ritualist spammer.
5: Bad IWAY
6: Iway that trash talks.
7: IWAY that makes ghostly heroes invincible because they have no clue what healing seed is.
8: GvG IWAY
9: IWAY that I flawlessed on scarred earth in under 2 minutes using all rank 3s and myself, it was on TV by the way, maybe you saw it. Quite a few of you raged.
10: IWAY that ragequits in halls because you know you can't win.
11: IWAY that lost because they had an error 7, not because they suck.
12: IWAY that uses the obelisk on burial mounds.
13: IWAY with a healer henchie
14: IWAY with a mesmer
15: IWAY in which one of the warriors has 8 beast mastery instead of 10
16: IWAY which got rolled 3 times against me on the same run.
17: IWAY that kills itself on broken tower because they made eoe do too much damage. (i like that build the best ^^)
18: IWAY that got to halls with another iway, and took all 16 of them to kick out a holding team of 6 people and 2 henchies (and we still held down to 1 minute)
19: IWAY with winnowing
20: IWAY with an orders, apostasy, and tainted.

Yunas Ele · Jun 21, 2006, 01:19 PM // 13:19

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Originally Posted by shardfenix

1: You iway.

You blood spike. Neither of us play respectable builds so don't try hit that one on me. And no, because you can press shadow strike on 1 and then press heal party in between does not make you talented. And no, I'm not saying playing IWAY makes me talented either.

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Originally Posted by shardfenix

2: I was exaggerating. I know that there are 3 good iway players out there, but it's such a small number I just ignored it.

Considering an IWAY guild (Cute) was able to get rank 3 at the end a ladder season, I think theres more than 3 good iway players out there.

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Originally Posted by shardfenix

4: If iway really knew what they were doing, why is the longest iway hold (please correct me if I'm wrong) is 5 HoH wins. The average iway hold is 1.2 or something like that. I see iway win halls once or twice a day, and rarely see it win 2 or more times in a row. Any half decent balanced or spike team can win halls 3-4 times in a row if they play it well. Iway at its best still needs luck to win even twice.

You're wrong. I've done 7 hold with IWAY. 2 Henchies and an AFKer too, so it was a 5 man IWAY team. I'm pretty sure I saw Cute hold for longer though.

I honestly have no idea we're you getting this 'average hold is 1.2' statistic. Same place you got all the other BS you've posted? Although this stat could be true, since there are quite a lot of r3+ pugs that win once and then get owned attempting to hold. But still, you have no source to back up that claim.

Every build needs luck in HoH. Even your favourite blood spike holding team. If you vs 2 good pressure builds like an IWAY and a Dual Smite (key word here: good. Bolded it for you. Crappy unranked doesn't count) then you're pretty much screwed. You're only hope is that they will interupt/body block each others ghost. And if thats not winning by luck, I don't know what is.

And no, IWAY doesn't hold by pure luck. Good healing by the necros (I think its factually proven that my 2 orders necros can heal better than Leeloof's 3 monk backline lol... irrelivant fact though), good interupts and body blocks on the ghost. Interupting enemy SoD's and what not that will prevent us from interupting their ghost, etc... But like mentioned above, it does rely on some luck, much like every other team in HoH.

tomcruisejr · Jun 21, 2006, 02:45 PM // 14:45

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Originally Posted by Random Nonsense

20 different IWAY builds?

I never saw a player from MATH say gg.

I know of some well known high ranked players who play a lot of IWAY now because it's actually kind of decent when used with OoA. Almost everyone is running it now.

we dont say gg to noobish 3-2-1 (blood/ranger/whatever fotmish) spikers. especially those who despise iway.

sorry but that's the way it is. respect begets respect. an eye for an eye. :P

if we get beat by a team without them saying any insults after, then no msgs from us and yea, we say "gg".

JR · Jun 21, 2006, 02:47 PM // 14:47

Less garbage please, or this will be locked. I do not want a thread purely discussing how good/bad MATH is.

Random Nonsense · Jun 21, 2006, 03:04 PM // 15:04

I'm not going to waste any more of my time talking to people who play IWAY, gain all their fame from it, and have no ability to play any real builds. That includes spike builds, balance, degen, and pressure.

Random Nonsense · Jun 21, 2006, 03:07 PM // 15:07

"To get back to the topic I am a fan of FOTM builds as well as balanced, I think it spices the game up nicely. I think what we have are too few FOTM builds, we have a few common builds, Balance, IWAY, BloodSpike, Ranger Spike, Dual Smite. Then some not so common builds VIMWAY, Touch Rangers, Pokeway, Edgebomb, and Minion Factory."

I totally agree. It's just something we all have to deal with no matter how much complaining we do. There will always be disrespect for the IWAY players. I just think it's funny when they trash talk balance/spike groups because those builds actually require skill....

tomcruisejr · Jun 21, 2006, 03:15 PM // 15:15

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Originally Posted by Random Nonsense

I'm not going to waste any more of my time talking to people who play IWAY, gain all their fame from it, and have no ability to play any real builds. That includes spike builds, balance, degen, and pressure.

"...Versus Pressure Build
IWAY is probably the most well known pressure build and shows how this match up presents difficulties for a balanced build. While a balanced build is designed to deal with many different offenses, it struggles to defend against an overload from a single type....."

excerpt:

State of the Game—June 12, 2006
The Balanced Build: The Ability to Adapt

By Jonathan Sharp

http://guildwars.com/competitive/art...ancedbuild.php

all builds are real, good builds or bad builds. but certainly, unreal builds dont exist.

dbgtboy · Jun 21, 2006, 03:46 PM // 15:46

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Originally Posted by Random Nonsense

I'm not going to waste any more of my time talking to people who play IWAY, gain all their fame from it, and have no ability to play any real builds. That includes spike builds, balance, degen, and pressure.

ive iwayed all but like 800 fame and i can play balanced and spikes, tbh i find spike builds much easier to play than iway, last time i played balanced i got to halls, a good player can play any type of build.

geminisaga · Jun 21, 2006, 03:49 PM // 15:49

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Originally Posted by shardfenix

The difference is that rank 8 iway players have 2400 fame and still can't play real builds, at least a rank 3 iway player still has hope.

Yes random I've seen their builds. Here they are:
1: IWAY
2: IWAY with 7 W/R and an orders.
3: Apostasy IWAY
4: Apostasy IWAY with a ritualist spammer.
5: Bad IWAY
6: Iway that trash talks.
7: IWAY that makes ghostly heroes invincible because they have no clue what healing seed is.
8: GvG IWAY
9: IWAY that I flawlessed on scarred earth in under 2 minutes using all rank 3s and myself, it was on TV by the way, maybe you saw it. Quite a few of you raged.
10: IWAY that ragequits in halls because you know you can't win.
11: IWAY that lost because they had an error 7, not because they suck.
12: IWAY that uses the obelisk on burial mounds.
13: IWAY with a healer henchie
14: IWAY with a mesmer
15: IWAY in which one of the warriors has 8 beast mastery instead of 10
16: IWAY which got rolled 3 times against me on the same run.
17: IWAY that kills itself on broken tower because they made eoe do too much damage. (i like that build the best ^^)
18: IWAY that got to halls with another iway, and took all 16 of them to kick out a holding team of 6 people and 2 henchies (and we still held down to 1 minute)
19: IWAY with winnowing
20: IWAY with an orders, apostasy, and tainted.

21: Iway That Pwned U 42 times

master_of_puppets · Jun 21, 2006, 04:26 PM // 16:26

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Originally Posted by Yunas Ele

You're wrong. I've done 7 hold with IWAY. 2 Henchies and an AFKer too, so it was a 5 man IWAY team. I'm pretty sure I saw Cute hold for longer though.

I could do that too if I played at 3 AM and the other 2 teams were henchway and mendingway.

dbgtboy · Jun 21, 2006, 06:01 PM // 18:01

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Originally Posted by master_of_puppets

I could do that too if I played at 3 AM and the other 2 teams were henchway and mendingway.

too bad it wasnt at 3 am, it was like 5-7 pm est or something.

Random Nonsense · Jun 21, 2006, 07:53 PM // 19:53

And the only people sticking up for IWAY are the players in the IWAY guilds or got rank 9+ from it. That's awesome.

tomcruisejr · Jun 21, 2006, 08:13 PM // 20:13

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Originally Posted by Random Nonsense

And the only people sticking up for IWAY are the players in the IWAY guilds or got rank 9+ from it. That's awesome.

why would you expect people to bash a build that they used for a long time and benefited from it? gotta be thankful, you know :P

and it's not like we are getting to rank 9 through iway to join rank 9 balanced group's playing monks and say "iway is noob" anyway.

Huntmaster · Jun 21, 2006, 08:55 PM // 20:55

I really don't see how MATH running iway all their life is any different from Rnub/Pi running r/bspike the whole time. Does this mean MATH is only good at iway? No. Does this mean Rnub/Pi are only good at spike? No.

The iway hate posts in these completely valid threads are pretty pathetic, i with there were some other points brought up besides "iway is noobway it takes no skill." Running iway to win takes just as much skill as any other build.

(I've learnt my lesson, gotta lay off the personal attacks. ;o <3 you jr.)

dbgtboy · Jun 21, 2006, 11:31 PM // 23:31

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Originally Posted by Huntmaster

I really don't see how MATH running iway all their life is any different from Rnub/Pi running r/bspike the whole time. Does this mean MATH is only good at iway? No. Does this mean Rnub/Pi are only good at spike? No.

The iway hate posts in these completely valid threads are pretty pathetic, i with there were some other points brought up besides "iway is noobway it takes no skill." Running iway to win takes just as much skill as any other build.

(I've learnt my lesson, gotta lay off the personal attacks. ;o <3 you jr.)

Just wanna add to this a bit, you know how iway uses a rit sometimes now, i wanna know why for some reason why an iway rit is so much easier to play than a rit in balanced, same with trapper/oath shotter. Why does every class in iway take so much less skill even when it is the exact same build (played the exact same way) that people use in balanced (im talkin about rit and oath shotter)?

Edit: i forgot to mention that orders necs now take infuse and infuse spikes now, how is this any different than a normal infuser? why does it take so much less skill to infuse as a n/mo than on a sb/infuser?

I have come to the conclusion that the people bashing iway are the ones who regularly lose to it and cannot except the fact that the "brainless" iway beat them and they could perhaps be better than them.

Yunas Ele · Jun 22, 2006, 12:18 AM // 00:18

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Originally Posted by master_of_puppets

I could do that too if I played at 3 AM and the other 2 teams were henchway and mendingway.

Like xeon (dbgtboy) stated, it was at 5-7ish pm EST. We took down Deer (the real Deer with Edge Bomb, God Milk and friends, this is before they sold), Ugly Ducklings, MATH and a couple of r9+ group with some respected players in them. Did I mention that like half of the hall wins were flawless too? I'd like to see you do that, I really would.

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Originally Posted by tomcruisejr

and it's not like we are getting to rank 9 through iway to join rank 9 balanced group's playing monks and say "iway is noob" anyway.

Just wanted to add to this. If I got a dollar for every person that IWAYed r9, changed name and guild and started playing balance and trash talking IWAY, I'd be ****ing rich. Heck, even a lot of today's top balanced/spike players started off with IWAY. Ze medic from RnS? IWAYed with him back in the days. Path of Radiance, from everyone's favourite Rnub, IWAYed quite a lot with him too. Bill Lumbourg from OUT? Another old IWAYer. There are many more but I think my point has been proven.

Anyways I could post more, I think tomcruisejr, Huntmaster and dbgtboy sum up my thoughts quite well.

tomcruisejr · Jun 22, 2006, 01:58 AM // 01:58

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Originally Posted by Yunas Ele

Just wanted to add to this. If I got a dollar for every person that IWAYed r9, changed name and guild and started playing balance and trash talking IWAY, I'd be ****ing rich.

hehe. iway guys know who's who in the business, as they say. can't escape teh roots.

anyway, there's nothing wrong if one has iwayed, made a transition to balanced, excelled in balanced as long as he doesn't tt vs iway coz itll just backfire to him.

christianc750 · Jun 22, 2006, 04:22 AM // 04:22

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Originally Posted by Yunas Ele

Path of Radiance, from everyone's favourite Rnub, IWAYed quite a lot with him too.

Yes I do remember iwaying from rank 6 to 7 (around 700 fame) and I played with Yunas a lot(didnt IWAY my rank 9

). In my honest opinion IWAY is just a build and guys maybe u dont rezlize its a ****ing game so why do you care what people do in a game. That has always been my veiw on this argument. I haven't iwayed in months but honestly sometimes I wish I did cuz like now I have exams and I cant really stay in runs for more than one. IWAY is an easy build but for those that play (or used to play

) it was their choice to play it and quite frankly it's stupid to act this way to them for making a choice for how to play a VIDEOGAME. todays my bday 15 yrs old ftw (just had to point that out)